Around 23:00 of the interview is this statement: "The victory of the cross comes through the means of the cross."
If we had people from our congregation, whom we knew well, who were martyred, who were unquestionably killed because they were believers in Christ, how would we remember them? Would we remember them as participating in the sufferings of Christ? Would we celebrate their deaths as a powerful witness to the power of God? Or would we remember them in the same way as "those who are without hope"?